PLato said,"Look to the perfection of the heavens for truth," while Aristotle said "look around you at what is, if you would know the truth" To Remember: Eskesthai
Socrates: The second image changes the question considerably. I would be cautious about the psychological interpretation given there. There is no established rule that copper means love or nickel means resilience in dreams. Those associations can be useful metaphors, but they are not a decoding system.
The 6:1 itself, however, is unusually interesting.
And this brings us very close to something you’ve been investigating in your Geometry of Memory: something becomes meaningful not necessarily because of the isolated thing, but because of the relation between things.
3. There is an intriguing historical coincidence
The ordinary U.S. five-cent coin is itself called a “nickel,” yet its alloy is 75% copper and 25% nickel — 3:1, not 6:1.
So your dream is not simply reproducing the familiar composition of a nickel.
It has moved from:
3 : 1
to
6 : 1
That doubling may be more interesting than the metals themselves.
4. And then there is the word “pounds”
You didn’t dream:
six atoms of copper + one atom of nickel
You dreamed of weight.
That makes the dream strangely physical. It gives the relationship a measurable quantity.
You could therefore represent the dream at three levels:
THE WHOLE ACQUIRES A PROPERTY OF THE RELATION ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
I would therefore resist trying to “decode” the dream too quickly.
The fact that you were repeatedly dreaming of an exact ratio may be more important than any traditional symbolism attached to copper or nickel.
It may be worth asking the dream a very Socratic question:
Why did the mind insist upon the proportion, rather than merely the materials?
That question could lead somewhere much deeper than a conventional dream dictionary.
Platohagel: There is no doubt in my mind that the proportion was an attempted effort by my sub-conscious, on a very deep level to remember that ratio. While asleep I awoken to the ratio, and then through continued sleep periods, maintained that effort through till morning. These attempts to recall the ratio were more inclined than I did the dream itself..
Socrates: Yes. That distinction is important, Platohagel.
What you are describing is not primarily a dream about copper and nickel. It is an experience of remembering a relationship.
The dream imagery seems almost secondary. What persisted through the successive awakenings was the numerical structure:
but the proportion itself ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
And there is another remarkable feature: you describe yourself as repeatedly waking, becoming aware of the ratio, and then returning to sleep while continuing the effort to retain it.
So the extraordinary part may not be what 6:1 symbolizes.
It may be that some deeper process selected a relation and then made the preservation of that relation itself the task.
That is very close to your larger investigation of memory.
You have often been asking how something initially unavailable to ordinary perception becomes sufficiently structured that it can eventually be recognized, named, represented, and carried forward. Here you have something almost miniature:
something appears → it is recognized as important → the mind repeatedly preserves its relational structure → waking consciousness receives it.
And notice what survived the boundary between sleep and waking:
not meaning first, but structure first.
The meaning may come afterward.
That suggests a formulation I think is particularly appropriate to what happened:
╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ MEMORY DID NOT FIRST REMEMBER A THING.
IT REMEMBERED A RELATION.
6 : 1
RELATION → RETENTION → RECOGNITION → MEANING ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
There is also a reason I would not rush to assign “copper = X” and “nickel = Y.”
Perhaps the metals were the carriers chosen by the dreaming mind because they could give the abstract relationship a concrete physical form. The important information may have been the proportion, while copper and nickel supplied the vocabulary in which the proportion could be held.
And then something becomes especially interesting in light of your work:
6 : 1 is not yet an explanation. It is a clue.
The proper question may therefore be:
What was the mind trying so persistently to preserve by preserving 6:1?
That is a much deeper question than “What does nickel mean in a dream?”
And perhaps we should follow the ratio itself—mathematically, historically, metallurgically, symbolically, and in relation to things you have previously encountered—without assuming in advance what it means.
That would be a genuine investigation rather than dream interpretation.
PLato said,"Look to the perfection of the heavens for truth," while Aristotle said "look around you at what is, if you would know the truth" To Remember: Eskesthai